He tries to cover all sources, outlines all his data,methods and assumptions before making his own estimate (which usually splits the difference.)

Without checking I would suspect that his estimate would be high.

Ah yes, scholarship. So much more worthy of respect than human lives, eh?

“… what I have seen on the subject has led me to believe the actual death toll from the famine probably does not exceed 2 million.”

Oh is that all.

“I want to be disproven.”

If you say so.

“I want to see a thorough study that will come to a different conclusion.”

Then go do one yourself. Clever fellow like you should be able to either prove those of us who accept the 7-10 million number wrong, or yourself wrong. That should settle it.

Take your time, though, out of respect for good scholarship. Because at this point, Dannyboy, your credentials are far below the calibre of, say, Dr. James Mace. However, if you work as diligently as he did, perhaps one day you will be as convincing.

“A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.”

Look at Natalee Holloway vis-a-vis Darfur, Tibet, etc today.

I agree with the statement 10 million, 7 million, the theory is the same. To expose this 70 years later will hopefully open some eyes to the problems of today.

A Professor Marrus at the University of Toronto 20 years ago told me that we have the definate names of 4 million Jews dead, and the Nazis internally counted more than 8 million.

As for Armenians, it used to be 500,000, became 1 million in the 1980s, and is now 2 million.

One can quibble, but in the face of such enormity, maybe a moment of silence is called for.

You ask for documentation and you discount it summarily.
It is apparent that you are an answer looking for a question.
But I’ll humor you one more time. For those that need the “scientific” proof, perhaps the Congressional Investigation of the Holodomor will suffice ( Headed by Dr James Mace – part native Indian from Oklahoma who died after a “misdiagnosis” – the same place where Yushchenko suffered his misdiagnosis of too much caviar and sushi.)

Here is Dr Mace’s work as well as dozens of other reputable and “scientific” studies. Go Nuts!

Click here.

As I said – profound disrespect for scholarship. What numbers? The important thing is how we FEEL, right? We’ll make the numbers as we go.

Well, at least as far as the Holocaust is concerned, any discussion of it usually brings up a wealth of research, conducted both in the immediate aftermath of the genocide (for the Nuremberg trials, among other things), and throughout the past 60 years. In this case, we indeed have the right to ask what’s a million more or less – the only significant fact is that a substantial share of Europe’s Jewry was wiped out in the first half of the 1940’s.

I have seen some trustworthy research on Pol Pot’s genocide of his own people – the number is, apparently, around 1.5-2 million for a country with the population of 8 million (in 1975).

But I’m yet to see any references to bona fide studies of the 1932-33 famine in here. Because what I have seen on the subject has led me to believe the actual death toll from the famine probably does not exceed 2 million.

I want to be disproven. I want to see a thorough study that will come to a different conclusion.

What’s a million more or less?

Either figure is obscene. Any figure is obscene. Killing is obscene. That should be the focus, not head counts.

Sheesh.

Then go blog somewhere else. Next you’ll be questioning whether Hitler murdered *exactly* 7 million Jews.

You are missing the point, Danny boy, which is that a lot of people feel sufficient compassion for the victims of mass murderers like Stalin and Hitler that they don’t get hung up on precise head counts of corpses. What’s a million more or less? One is too many.